Tuesday, April 5, 2016

A Political Snippet - Trump and Abortion Laws

It's a snippet, because I can't stand having Mr. Trump in my living room for more than fifteen minutes or so.  But this time, I have to invite him to join us because he managed to alter my outlook.  He startled me, then left me feeling bemused.

Why?  Because the talking heads articulated a problem I had never considered, despite the thoughtful consideration I've given to the issue.  My views have softened over time, but Mr. Trump's confusion and final declaration as Chris Matthews pressed him on abortion stopped me in my tracks.

(start at 0:19)
"Yes, there has to be punishment."
"For the woman?"
"Yes, for the woman"

In pre-Roe America, my college years, everyone knew someone who knew someone who would drive you to Syracuse to the doctor who did abortions.  That was all the information you needed; anything else was too dangerous to share.... not for the woman in distress, but for the person performing the procedure.  The danger to the woman was from the procedure itself; only the abortionist had to worry about The Law.

Obviously, that's absurd.  If it's illegal, it's illegal.  All parties should be held to the same standard. It's obvious and it never occurred to me before Mr. Trump mentioned it. 

The hole in my logic astounds me.

The talking heads tell me that this is the dirty little secret that anti-abortion proponents want to keep in the closet.  

That closet has a strong set of hinges.  I never managed to get the door open myself.  

11 comments:

  1. That is why Republicans, including those who want personhood the law of the land, are so mad at him. It was okay for the women to die from the procedure or never be able to have children but that they might pay a penalty for what the religious right calls murder, that no one should ever speak except total fanatics who blow up the clinics not caring who is within. Trump should have never backtracked. He said the logical truth. If it's illegal, there has to be a penalty. It's why the establishment hates him so much-- never use simple logic on something that they don't want Americans to think too deeply about.

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    1. And THIS is even further clarification. You've obviously been ahead of me on this one. I'm rattling around in my brain with a new perspective. Glad to have you guiding me.
      a/b

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  2. I'm pro-abortion if it can be predicted an unborn baby will be gay/lesbian, transexual or deformed. With aborting first 3, that would bring down child molestation and they should make it crime to do sex changes as it's maiming.

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    1. I'm a nonreligious person who sees something wrong with homosexual & lesbian conduct & I think that they must make it a crime to do sex changes. Even if orientation doesn’t change, it’s best for gays/lesbians to be celibate just as it’s best for a person with tobacco orientation not to smoke. If homosexuality is inborn as some scientists believe, then it would be a birth defect.

      Any conduct can be learned and this includes sexual conduct. A kid can become a mugger by living in high crime neighborhood, seeing muggings in childhood and learning this conduct.Homosexual/lesbian conduct is bad for health like tobacco & needs to be treated like tobacco use by adults. If willing & knowing adults want to use tobacco or do gay/lesbian conduct, then that's their life, but it must be treated as harmful like tobacco is. I think that they must make it a crime to do sex changes.

      Just because there are other causes such as possibly birth defect, that does not change the fact that being a repeated victim of childhood sex abuse by gay and lesbian pedophiles can for some people cause them to do same sex conduct in adulthood vs. if they were not. What you say can also be told of why a kid becomes a mugger or why a person gets emphysema.

      A kid can become a mugger by living in high crime neighborhood, seeing muggings in childhood and learning this conduct. Yes, there are muggers who were not raised in high crime neighborhoods but still became muggers. Many emphysema victims did not smoke and were not exposed to 2nd hand smoke and got emphysema due to bad genes but it would be dishonest to deny truth that if a person smokes, he or she is more likely to get emphysema.

      Yes, a proven fact that childhood sex abuse is a cause of homosexual in adulthood.Psychologists can be dishonest & deny what they know is true as we see with psychologists dishonesty on childhood sex abuse & homosexuality. If a child is repeatedly sexually abused, then it's more likely he will do gay activity in adulthood vs. if he wasn't. Since homosexuals and lesbians (transexuals) often suffered childhood sex abuse, no surprise that homosexuals and lesbians think childhood sexual abuse is OK when homosexual activities.

      Never have I heard straights blame childhood sex abuse for reasons a man has sex with a woman and fathers children with her. Yet sometimes have heard gays and lesbians say childhood sex abuse is reason they do same sex behaviors. Sex abuse in youth can cause people to behave in ways. It not controversial to talk of nightmares, suicides, bed wetting often a result of sex abuse in youth. Yet when 1 talks gay/lesbian behaviors in adulthood because they learned this sexual behavior by being repeatedly molested, then gays with politically safe psychologists complain. The politically correct psychologists who deny this know possible for a boy to turn out gay as a result of childhood sex abuse, yet deny what they know is true. Of course, not all who are sexually abused in youth become gay in adulthood-but the risk is higher. Anybody who denies the link is dishonest, delusional or both.

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    2. Ugh!!! Hoping this is just a troll trying to get a reaction.

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    3. Laura, me too 'cause I highly doubt Ashleigh has any friends who think like this. Actually scared me that someone thinks homosexuality equates to being a pedophile. This person is so off-base and if anyone is delusional, it's the person who posted this fear-mongering.

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    4. Though you act surprised, I don't think you are-gay pedofiles like the gay priests Think posters who call me ignorant, know that sex abuse esp. repeated childhood sex abuse raises risk of a kid turning out gay/lesbian by copying conduct they learned from being ruined by gay and lesbian pedophiles, but they can't rebut other than get offended. You can call me ignorant,idiot, etc., but there's nothing any1 can say to change my mind on this. People who deny truth between sex abuse and later homosexuality/lesbianism are dishonest.

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    1. Let’s look @ what we do know about Methew W. Shepard. No matter why the murder happened, the idea that A.J. McKinney and Methew W. Shepard were strangers who did not know eachother until that day is rubbish. There are many witnesses-Doc O’ Connor’s ex girlfriend, Elaine Baker (bartender), M.K. Rohrbacher (drug dealer), Tristan (Ted) Henson (Methew W. Shepard’s former lover) & others who saw them together.

      There are too many witnesses who saw both men together. Of course the witnesses can only say they saw them together and can not know it all. It’s not believed Methew W. Shepard knew the 2nd man (R.A. Henderson) and I agree with Stephen Jimenez that Russell A. Henderson should have gotten a jury trial but got bad representation by his lawyers who urged him to take a plea when he wanted a jury trial. Book of Matt by Stephen Jimenez Stephen Jimenez’s evidence are 1st party witnesses he interviewed-over 100 of them over 13 years.

      Methew W. Shepard associating with drug dealers in both Wyoming and Colorado is not disputable. Methew W. Shepard went into bars where drugs were sold and he did associate with drug dealers-we know that he went to bars named Tornado, Ranger, Library & other bars in Wyoming and Colorado where drugs were sold. Methew W. Shepard’s friend Tina LaBrie expressing concerns about Methew W. Shepard’s drug and $ problems. We know that Methew W. Shepard was having $ problems (spending so much on limosuine rides in Doc O’ Connor’s limousine).

      Methew W. Shepard’s a junky (proven fact), drunkard and had money problems. Sheriff O’Malley has said that if Methew W. Shepard sold drugs, the cops would have known which is dishonest-Sheriff David S. O’Malley and Sgt. R.J. DeBree know cops don’t always catch all the criminals and that many drug dealers escape detection. Sheriff David S. O’Malley and Sgt. Robert J. DeBree have arrested drug dealers and they know how it’s the family and friends who get surprised after they learn some1 they know is a drug dealer.

      Sheriff David S. O’Malley and Sgt. Robert J. DeBree know that it’s unlikely MW. Shepard told his friends and family that he was a drug dealer, and even if Methew W. Shepard did tell his friends and family that he sold drugs, don’t think his family will admit this ugly as they had tried to hide the fact that Methew Wayne Shepard molested 8 year old boys and got counseling.

      Now was Methew W. Shepard’s assocation with drug dealers and going into bars where drugs were sold more than buying drugs ? Was Methew W. Shepard a drug dealer or a drug courier? Stephen Jimenez thinks so and he believes it was the Denver circle. No, Stephen Jimenez does not know it all but his conclusions are sincere and honest. While homosexual groups complain about Stephen Jimenez saying the murder case is complicated and possibly not a hate crime, that is incidental-main reason homosexual groups are offended by Stephen Jimenez’s book is because he talked about the ugly truths about who M.W. Shepard was. You don’t always know the secrets friends and family have. If a person is a drug dealer, then they are usually not going to tell their friends and family that they do this.

      Even if Metthew W. Shepard did tell his friends and family that he sold drugs, don’t think his family will admit this ugly truth about him, as they had tried to hide the fact that Methew Wayne Shepard molested 8 year old boys and got counseling for it. Laramie Project, Shepard Foundation & Big Island Chronicle Tiffany Camille Hunt sees nothing wrong with Methew W. Shepard selling drugs and molesting children so their view is rubbish.

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  4. Homosexual groups targetted gay journalist Stephen Jimenez for his Book of Matt which offended homosexual groups & have been trying to keep Stephen Jimenez’s Book of Matt from being sold. Honest discussion is discussing & rebutting-not censoring because 1 finds something offensive.Metthew Wayne Shepard (1976-1998) was not the innocent as he has been portrayed by Laramie Project or films like Shepard is a Friend of Mine. Metthew Wayne Shepard was a junky who assoc. with drug dealers in both Colorado & Wyoming, was possibly a drug dealer himself (Methew Wayne Shepard could also possibly have been a drug courier or a lookout, but whether or not he was a drug dealer he did assoc. with drug dealers) & when he was 15 years old, he was arrested for molesting 2 boys & he got counseling by Natrona County Juvenile Court for molesting 2 boys. Metthew Wayne Shepard had himself been a victim of child molestation by 3 different people when he was a boy & if he had not been a victim of homosexual pedophiles would he have turned out straight instead of gay?

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